Make Orble even more profitable
March 23rd 2007 14:09
After having almost 7000 unique visitors and still get plenty of them every day (if you google "pirates of the caribbean at world's end trailer", I'm first, yipee), I started to experiment as to why and what happened.
After examining Technorati, I think I know, and also understand what needs to be done in order to make this happening more frequently. And not just for my blog, but for all.
My "Pirates of the Caribbean"-post got into the Top 20, and due to luck that's when Google decided to index Orble and filmpeek.net. As you know, in the sidebar of every blog in the Orble-community, there's the "Top 20 Orble posts". Therefore, I practically got a huge amount of RELEVANT links to my post in a snap.
A link that says "Pirates of the Caribbean Trailer" is much more powerful than Filmpeek.net. Google likes specific links, on topic and with the right keywords.
So. I recommend that some way is created to have the most recent posts in a list that goes to all blogs, much like the top 20. That way I think all posts will have the chance of being up at least one day and if lucky get indexed. As it is the odds are very low. Maybe add it to the sidebar, like 50 most recent posts, and cut down a bit space from Orble-blogs (since it's not as crucial).
Look forward to more brainstorming and a quick solution. Time is money
. Also sorry if it's confusing, wrote it very quickly.
Thanks.
After examining Technorati, I think I know, and also understand what needs to be done in order to make this happening more frequently. And not just for my blog, but for all.
My "Pirates of the Caribbean"-post got into the Top 20, and due to luck that's when Google decided to index Orble and filmpeek.net. As you know, in the sidebar of every blog in the Orble-community, there's the "Top 20 Orble posts". Therefore, I practically got a huge amount of RELEVANT links to my post in a snap.
A link that says "Pirates of the Caribbean Trailer" is much more powerful than Filmpeek.net. Google likes specific links, on topic and with the right keywords.
So. I recommend that some way is created to have the most recent posts in a list that goes to all blogs, much like the top 20. That way I think all posts will have the chance of being up at least one day and if lucky get indexed. As it is the odds are very low. Maybe add it to the sidebar, like 50 most recent posts, and cut down a bit space from Orble-blogs (since it's not as crucial).
Look forward to more brainstorming and a quick solution. Time is money
. Also sorry if it's confusing, wrote it very quickly. Thanks.
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Comment by Brenton
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That'd be bomb.
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But Google doesn't care about Orble's frontpage obviously (at least that's my conclusion) and the point is that plenty of blogs have a link to your post. Now only the Top 10 has one.
Get me?
//filmpeeker
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I mean, just like all blogs have a sidebar with the the Top 10 and Orble Blogs, there should be a list with the most recent posts of ALL blogs. That way everyone gets their posts linked from several blogs immediately, which is what really counts since we want Google prefers relevant links to the topic searched.
Oh this is just getting more confusing
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Cheers,
filmpeeker
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Just don't want them mature posts getting me banned on adsense...
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Also I could just link to 'superpornosite.com' which isn't a very smart move.
and umm, yeah, I'm not too into seeing vulgar blog titles on my blog eihter...
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Maybe not list anything tagged as mature content?
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If you're posting something mature and are being linked towards it's no big deal..
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Or make it an option for logged on members to toggle.
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Then the solution is easy. If the post is tagged as "mature content" it simply won't be included in the "recent-list".
This shouldn't be hard, I think.
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The problem with listing all new posts on every blog is that it would have little effect because there are so many new posts every day. Google would not have time to index all the blogs before the list had completely changed.
For it to be effective it there would have to be a list of say 10 recent posts with no more than 5 new ones listed each day.
Also this kind of Google bomb works best with posts which are about "breaking" topics for which there is little established content on the web already -- hence why the Pirates trailer worked so well.
So for the list to work there would have to be some kind of editor selection of the posts which were listed there. I would be happy to do this but it is bound to cause all kinds of problems with people being unhappy that their post was not selected for the list.
The beauty of having an algorithmic system for selecting the most popular posts is that it's completely transparent. I don't think an algorithmic system would be possible for what is suggested here because there has to be a judgement of quality (only 5 posts per day) and a judgement of how novel or "breaking" the content is and how likely it is to succeed in creating a Google bomb.
As always I'm open to ideas or suggestions.
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I think there's always time for google to index SOME site of all the sites that will link to the recent posts in case there's a list of, say, the 30-50 most recent.
Example 1: My Spiderman trailer didn't last very long on the top ten (maybe 12h the most), and I still get traffic from it. It's on the top ten if you search "final spiderman 3 trailer".
Example 2: When you search "Stardust trailer" I'm first. Again. That's a proof that this works because my Stardust-post also lasted a short but at least some time in the top 10.
Like you say, it would be good to filter out "breaking" topics but that would probably result in chaos and need an editor since there's no code on what is breaking. If there's any other way to do this it'd still be a good option.
After all, I really don't believe that there are that many Orble posts. And even if there are, if you're a "smart" blogger you'll write a minimum of two posts/day which means you're always gonna be recent in some way. The ones spending time writing deserve this, the ones who don't care will be a bit behind.
I don't know, let me know your thoughts. Brainstorming is good.
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Let's try it for a while to see of there are any results.
What does the Orble-admins say?
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At least with the popular posts, there's a reason that every Orble blog hosts those links...
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There are anything from 100 to 180 posts per day on Orble so they still would not get much exposure (perhaps 4 hours on a 30 post list depending on what time of the day you posted) and as the number of daily posts grows the problem would get worse.
We would be adding at least another 30 links to every page of every blog. This would most likely affect search engine traffic reducing the importance of every other link on the page. We already have quite a few links to other sites on every page -- another 30 links may be too many. I would be OK with adding another 10, 30 I would be a little nervous about.
Quite a few of the posts submitted every day are not written in a way (or about a topic) that would attract search engine traffic. Some of them are a dubious quality which you get with any open system. It would seem a waste of search engine kudos to list them all and may in fact annoy the search engines as Cibby suggests.
So what I would suggest is that we start a recent posts section (perhaps it would need another name) about 5 posts long to start with, along with a clear set of guidelines as to what kind of posts get listed there. It's bound to cause some trouble but I think the pay-off in increased traffic would be worth it.
Comment by Filmpeeker
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Hmm. I don't know, I feel like it's a good idea, however understand it might need editorial efforts. I mean, I could obviously make that effort and I think there are people who would volunteer. Maybe.
Like Jon said the top 5-10 posts/day that needs immediate attention or something.
It's just a shame to not really optimize Orble.
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We will give it a trial for a few weeks and see what happens.
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I would suggest a ranking system on the breaking blog so everyone can vote on posts that are submitted as breaking, and those that aren't breaking won't get much if any coverage. Could be useful if and when Orble is a giant media empire submitting ten thousand different 'breaking' stories a day... maybe in a few years...
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However, I'm not sure a voting system would work, as it's open to gaming... I think someone would have to use full editorial control...
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The discussion seemed fruitful, if a little narrow, but I am of the opinion that Jon knows his own business well and comprehends any possible problems, but I do think there is scope for improvement so it's good to see people actively thinking about these things.
There were not many contributors were there? ever think about that?
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At this stage, the Orble staff will have full editorial control and we will try our best to keep things as fair and transparent as possible.
Submit your "Breaking Posts" here
Charles.
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